Transcript 0:00 Should I just shave completely bald? Anyone listening and watching, tell me, tell me what I should do about this. Should I do a, should I do Bosley, or should I just go full shave? Dude. I don't know. 0:12 Okay, so- Conceal it with a hat for now... if you're listening on Spotify, jump over to YouTube and just watch like the first few seconds. Couple things. I randomly buzzed my head just because I was like, "You know what? 0:22 TikTok got to me." You look good. I like looked up a buzz cut once- That's right... and like I got all these, I got all these things in my algorithm. And I was like, "I'm gonna go do it." It's okay. 0:30 Like I, I told my wife, like I, the reason why I wanted to do it was because like just maintenance. I don't have to do anything. Wake up, good to go. 0:38 I don't love it to the point where I think it's gonna be the normal sadly. Oh no, it's good. You have a good hairline. Your hairline... Look, look, my, my hairline. But I have a, I have a cowlick, dude. 0:45 I'm, I'm getting, I'm getting old, dog. Look at this. Oh. Oof. Ooh, that's bad. Okay. I have, I have a, I have a method. I have a method to make it not look like I'm an aging- Mm... just gizzard. Interesting. Okay. 0:58 So now, now that plays around with should you go full bald. Hold on. I'm gonna move this, so if you're listening, y'all, I'm sorry. Okay. Um, so, so- I could, I could get a thicker beard. 1:08 Full bald would, would require either, either a really just rank thick mustache or just full-blown like masterpiece. You can't- Yes... 1:18 you can't be, in my opinion, my opinion, you can't be bald, you can't shave your head without facial hair, 'cause then you're just like a cue ball. [laughs] And I already look like an egg. 1:27 Like my head is very egg-shaped. Your head is like- Yeah... you have like a good, a good noggin. My, my head is an egg. You... So the- Yeah, I have to, I have to agree... 1:35 this, this whole episode we're gonna talk about head shapes and just noggins. [laughs] So I hope you're in for a treat, everybody. Oh, dude. I don't know what you should do, man. 1:42 Speaking of head shapes and noggins- Yeah. Tell me... this, this week my head shape and my noggin mentally was challenged. I think half of the episodes we've had, we've talked about kids being sick. Mm-hmm. 1:55 My kids are sick again. I, I was also sick. Uh-huh. Yeah. I went out of town for work for about a week and a half with a couple days in between. I flew to New York, came back for two days, flew to Mexico. 2:05 Uh, and I just came back just super sick, but also came back to a house of stomach bugs. Mm. So then I got a stomach bug, and then I recovered from a stomach bug, and then my oldest threw up everywhere yesterday. 2:19 Yep, sorry, pup. So it's like stomach bug to me to some other form of bug. I mean, it's just... 2:25 It's almost like we're all just passing around the same sickness, but it mutates just enough by the time the fourth person recovers that the first person gets sick again. Yep. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Dude. 2:35 It's, it's never ending. That's so funny. So for your Mexico trip, what kind of sickness? It doesn't sound like you drank the water kind of sickness. It almost sounds like maybe- No... 2:42 a flu type sickness or threw up or- Some, some form of... I don't know. I- they gave me antibiotics, whether or not that's what I should've been taking. Real... [laughs] I don't know. 2:51 It's like antibiotics are for infections, and it's not gonna affect a virus and, you know, there's all those random opinions about that. Anyways, I took everything they gave me, uh, whether or not it made any difference. 3:00 I still have like a bit of a frog in my throat. But I'm, I'm about 95%. Like I went to the gym last night, and I'm, I'm feeling okay. Ooh. Um, I know. What'd you do? I, I actually- Swim?... I went to swim. 3:10 I went to swim. Okay. Showed up to a sign that says, "Pool is closed," because it was broken. I guess they're like doing maintenance. 3:17 So [laughs] instead I just sat in a sauna with two other dudes for like 30 minutes, chatted about life. It was great. It was like- [laughs]... oh, the sauna is actually where deals happen. I'm like, that's like a meme. 3:27 [laughs] But like, I was like getting it, like- You're sweating deals... great conversation with two dudes just sweating like profusely. It was great though. I went home, got a nice shower, felt good. 3:37 Slept very well last night. Oh. That sauna, it makes a difference, I tell you. Dude. Um, but- I, uh- But-... I bet pre, I bet pre-sauna sleeping's good. Keep going. Pre... Yeah. It's, it's great. 3:46 I wanted to ask you a question that actually came up while I was at dinner with my family the other day. Ooh. We were at this restaurant. It was a Thai restaurant. Got some, got some pad Thai. Delicious. Delicious. 3:59 Love some Thai food. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Anyway, there were TVs all over the wall. And I noticed about halfway through dinner that my oldest son, three and a half years old, was just glued to the TV. 4:11 And one of the s- one of the screens had this, it's called like Happy Channel. I don't know. There's no commercials. I don't know if you can find it. It must be like something you pay for, like a, a station. 4:21 But it's literally just videos of things that are like quote feel good of just- Yeah... just forever. It just goes on forever. And it was engaging, and I'm sure it's there for kids. 4:32 But I was like, "Bud, can you like stop watching TV for a few minutes while we talk to you?" And then my wife would ask him, "Hey, like do you want another bite of blah, blah, blah?" 4:40 And he just would like not even- Just glued. Yeah. Like totally- Yeah, yeah... tuned out. I was like, "Hey, no, no, no." I was like, "Hey, when Mommy talks to you, you have to, you have to listen. 4:48 You have to say, 'Okay, Mommy.' You have to look her in the eyes. You can't watch the TV and tune out while we're having a conversation with you." 4:54 And granted, like the next day he was like super sick, so I think something, something was... He was leading up to like some sickness where he was just tuned out anyways. But I was like, how do we address this? 5:06 He's only three and a half, and it's already obvious that there's a form of technology relationship and habit forming. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 5:15 We do everything we can not to give too much screen time and to be mindful about, you know, like all the different things that your typical millennial parent is like on, you know, you know, the ninth degree about. 5:26 But I found, a- apparently there's something, there's something that's called parental phubbing. I didn't know this, this term existed. 5:34 But I looked into this, and it's, the, they're, they're calling it the silent relationship killer. 5:40 But it says, "Research indicates that parents' excessive smartphone use, termed phubbing, can disrupt parent-child interactions, leading to feelings of neglect and reduced emotional connection for children." 5:54 And in our always connected world, right at dinner, I probably had my phone out once or twice-My wife had her phone out. There were ten TVs. Everything is technology. You pay with technology. 6:06 They bring out a little screen. It's like everything is technology. How can we, as dads, and those listening, anyone who's a parent, ensure quality interactions with our children? How do we train them? 6:19 How do we frame relationship quality in such a way that we can start to combat what they're calling, quote, "phubbing?" Yeah. I love this topic because I'm bad at it. 6:33 Like, there are definitely times where my son says something, like, the third time will finally catch my attention. I'm like... And I even think to myself, like, "Dude, what are you doing?" Like, "Go pay attention. 6:40 Go, go play with him." Like, and it's bad. Like, whether it's me scrolling LinkedIn, watching TikToks, whatever it is, and I'm guilty of it. I know my wife's guilty of it as well. One, I don't know h-how... 6:50 I mean, the one thing is just, like, if you're, like, if your kid's in daycare, if, like ours are, or, well, one of them is, the other one's not, 7:00 I think, like, at the end of the day, he's home from probably 5:00 to b- ooh, you just zoomed in. What'd you just do? Okay. I don't know. [laughs] I don't know. I clicked- But-... something that said center stage. 7:11 All right. Dude, well, that looks amazing. I digress. Continue. N-no, no. [laughs] No, so he's home from, like, after daycare, he's home from, like, 5:00 to bedtime. Call it 7:00, 7:30. 7:21 That's not a lot of time to hang out with him. And in the mornings I'm with him as well. In the mornings I'm typically never on my phone with him. I, I make him his smoothie, we kinda hang out, we kick it. But 7:29 after, it's just kinda like I'm off work, I kinda just wanna sit there and, and aimlessly scroll, and it's bad, but, like, two and a half hours to get off your phone to go kick it with your, your kids should not be a big task, and I think that we're really bad at that, and we need to be better at that. 7:44 Um, so, like, dinners, we try not to do it now. But also, like, dinners are so random. Like, sometimes we'll eat all together as a family, sometimes we won't. There's that. 7:52 Kind of rewinding a little bit further back to when you started the conversation about your kid being glued to the screen at, at restaurants, um, yeah, I don't know. Like, for us, we don't... 8:02 It's not like I'm anti-screen time, but I'm also, like- Yeah... anti-addicted to the screen, you know? So- Yeah. Yeah... I don't really know how that plays out. 8:09 But for us it's like if I'm, if I'm cutting his hair, 'cause so I cut my son's hair. If I'm cutting his hair, I let him watch TV. 8:14 If he's at, like, we're gonna go on a plane on Saturday, he's gonna be able to watch the iPad. Like, other than that, we, like, go and we play golf or we play with his trucks or we go play basketball. Like, whatever. 8:25 It's more, like, imaginative stuff, and it's not like- Yeah... "Hey, go watch TV. I'm gonna just go over here and, and cook dinner and hang out." And he helps with dinner, I think. He, he likes helping. So I don't know. 8:35 I think that I'm really guilty of just sitting there scrolling aimlessly and having no end goal with my scrolling to the point where I, I know for a fact I need to stop. 8:45 And hopefully this podcast or this episode right now holds me accountable and I do stop, because I think that's important. My wife, my wife and I both need to kinda, like, get off our phones when our kids are around. 8:54 Or at least the toddler. The other one's four months. He's not really sure what's going on, but yeah. I don't know. What about you? My wife has a much... Yeah. My wife has a much truer compass in the sense where I'm 9:07 vocally very consistently tuned in to when I should be paying attention to my kids and when I should be on my phone or working, but I even get, I don't wanna say get caught, that sounds bad, but my wife will routinely, not in a nagging way, in a really helpful way- Yeah. 9:25 Yeah... be like, "Babe, he's, he's, he's looking at you." Trying to talk to you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, wanting for a reaction. 9:29 Or, you know, while he's even playing, he's, like, kind of looking at you and, and, and eyeing you, thinking or, or is seeing if you're paying attention and you're on your screen. And I'm like, "Oh." 9:39 Like, it kills me inside. And there's this post, I can't remember the exact words, but the sentiment, uh, it was like Facebook or something, one of these mom groups. I think my wife shared it with me. 9:50 But it was a parent who takes her kids to the park and takes her phone out and just kinda, like, works and scrolls and whatever while her kids are just having fun in the park. 9:59 And, you know, she didn't realize until one day she didn't take her phone that her kids looked at her something to the effect of over 100 times during this time at the park just 10:11 seeing if her, her, you know, she, the mom, was paying attention. And- Yeah... there were times when they were almost seeking that validation, that con- congratulations, that, like, energy from the mom. Yeah, yeah. 10:24 Like, "Oh, yay, you did it. You went down the slide," or, "Wow, you're so big." Like, all that stuff that, like, a two, three, four-year-old is, like, is yearning for, you're just not doing it if you're on your phone. 10:34 Which, man, there's a lot of solutions here, but I think the solution is, is, first comes with just acknowledging you have a problem. I think a lot of us have problems that we- Yeah... don't admit. Like, we're- Yeah... 10:45 we're probably all, in some form or facet, addicted to our phones and our devices. Uh- Yeah. For sure... back before we were parents, my wife and I would go on dates. 10:53 We had a family plan where you get a third line for free with T-Mobile or something way back in the day. And so we got a dumb phone. Uh, dumb, like a dumb phone with a, with a phone line. 11:05 So we could go out but still just be connected on, like, emergencies. Particularly in the Chicago suburbs, we didn't wanna be, like, literally without a phone. It was safe, but, you know, things happen. 11:15 So we wanted to have a phone, but we didn't wanna take our, our actual smartphone. So we left our iPhones at home, and we would go on dates with this dumb phone just to be connected. And those were the, the best dates. 11:26 And we, we think about doing that now even with babysitters at home with the kids. 11:31 Like, like, why not have a dumb phone where you're out, you're connected, they can get ahold of you if there is an emergency, but you're, you're tuned in. 11:38 I like to think she and I are both actually pretty good at just paying attention to each other. But I don't know. There's something to that. And my, my coworker Alex- Yeah... he works at Beehive with me. 11:49 He just, I don't know if he, his only phone is a dumb phone, but he downgraded to a dumb phone as part of this, you know, cleanse of being so glued to the screen and, and to smartphones. 12:02 I think there's gonna be a-A revolt at some point. Like AI and technology is replacing so much of our brain power right now. I, I can't, we can't sustain it. 12:13 Either we do sustain it and we all turn into like these fat, massive, I don't know, you've seen WALL-E, like they're just all like- Yep... potatoes. [laughs] Yeah. 12:23 And everything in their lives are done and, and completed by AI. Either that happens or at some point we're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa." Yeah. We need built-in time in our days where technology is not king. Yeah. 12:34 I don't know. Yeah. Something has to happen. I wonder if, um, [laughs] maybe you and I... This is tough though. Dude, it's so tough. 12:43 Like I was gonna say, like right here right now, we make a challenge for ourselves, like this week from Tuesday to Friday, no phones after work, just completely in a different room till bedtime, after bedtime. 12:54 Hell, even, even more of a challenge to keep it away until you and the wife go to bed, because [laughs] then as soon as bedtime happens, you jump on your phone and you're like not having, you know, intentional time with your significant other. 13:04 Yeah. But, um, we- We should do something... here's something. We- We should. You and I- We should start something... you and I should come up with a challenge 13:11 and, and like, and get, get the listeners and the people to join us. I think people are waiting for something like this where there's 13:18 just enough momentum to latch onto it, but also enough direction for someone to just tell them, "Hey, here's what, here's what it is," if it's an hour off your phones, if it's putting your phone away at 9:00 PM. 13:30 There's a lot of these people doing things right now, like, "I never take my phone in my bedroom anymore." Like- Yeah... 13:35 that's actually a good thing, and I don't know why [laughs] I sound like such a doofus while I'm saying that. Like, actually, that's a, that's a good thing. [laughs] You probably shouldn't do that. 13:43 But like let's, let's think through something and, and do like a Two Dads in Tech technology challenge. Two Dads in Technology Challenge. Ooh. Ooh. We should. We should. We're doing it. Ah. [laughs] Ah. 14:00 And so, [laughs] um, so yes, let's actually create one. Okay. Kind of not, not as, um, difficult... I wouldn't say difficult. 14:07 That's a really bad way to put it, but I remember episode three, four, you told me about the- Yeah, yeah... 75-day dad challenge. 75 hard. Is it 75 hard? Oh, yeah, yeah. 75 dad- 75 days... 14:18 I think is what it was called... dad. I didn't do it, and I prob- I think you, if you did it, you would've told, told [laughs] me or said something on the podcast. I, I definitely did not do it. Um- No, no, no. 14:26 And, and y'all, if you're listening and you did not listen to that episode, like this is such an amazing challenge that essentially just forces you to get closer with your kids. Like, that's really all it is. 14:35 Daniel and I talked about it, and we talked about how amazing of a challenge it was, but we both did not do it, and I think it's because we're so routine and just like embedded into our devices, just like you said. 14:46 So I think, I bet you what Daniel's doing right now is typing in a ChatGPT saying, "I'm gonna create a challenge. Please give me like X, Y, and Z." I bet he's... I know. I see you. I see you. 14:55 [laughs] Literally, literally typed, "We want to create a challenge for parents that lasts for seven days and helps us to disconnect," and that's when you just jumped in. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 100%. I knew you were. 15:04 We're doing this- I know you.... live. We're doing this challenge- Yeah... live. Why not? What... We're, we're gonna... 15:08 We wanted to create a challenge for parents that'll last for seven days, helps us to disconnect from technology, to foster healthier, healthier relationships with our significant others- And kids... 15:25 and with our children. What are seven- Please give me- Yeah, like what are seven things? 15:33 Because I think like each day should have almost like its own challenge, but like there should be like under, like an underlying foundation, like two hours. 15:39 Like, you know, no phone for dinner should be like an underlying foundation thing. But each day, like Monday, you need to go do this, like do something new Tuesday, ask a random person if they need help with it. 15:48 I don't know. Like that's not taking you away from tech, but you get what I'm saying. Like let's see what it comes up with. Ooh, y'all are listening, and by the time this podcast comes out- Be extremely specific. 15:58 By the time this podcast- And I'm gonna actually, I'm gonna actually... Go ahead. Go ahead. No, you go. No, no. I, I'm gonna make this prompt a little bit beefier. So you, you keep chatting- Ooh, okay... 16:07 while I make this prompt. So we're recording this on a Tuesday, May 20th. This will come out May 28th probably. It's the Wednesday. 16:14 And so I think by the time that this podcast comes out, we should announce the challenge in line with the announcement for the podcast, so then everybody can go and listen to it, and they can be like, "Oh my goodness. 16:25 They created this in real time." Hold on. Uh, somebody's calling me. Anyways, y'all, y'all are getting the real real right here. But- That's right... 16:33 so by the time this podcast comes out, we're gonna have this challenge, and we're gonna have like a... 16:36 I, I want us to put together like a, not a landing page, but a graphic for it, and I want us to share it, and I want other people to share it that follow Two Dads in Tech. 16:47 And y'all, h- honestly, like Daniel said, we all are somewhat addicted to our devices. And not all. I, I can't speak in absolutes, but most of us are somewhat addicted to our devices. 16:59 We're at dinner, we scroll through our device. We're sitting on the couch with our significant other or our kids, we're scrolling through our devices, whether that's a phone or a laptop. 17:06 We wake up, I bet you one of the first things you do is check your phone. 17:10 Like, we're so addicted and consumed by our phones and by our laptops and by technology, that it makes sense to probably take a few hour break each day to go do something, learn something, do something intentional. 17:22 That's something that my wife and I are like really, really focused heavily on, is just being more intentional with the time that we have together. Because a lot of times it's like, "Okay, great. 17:31 We took care of the kids. They're in bed. We did our job. Like that's done. Let's kind of just like zone out and do whatever." Very normal to, for that to happen, by the way. Mm-hmm. But, um, but yeah. 17:42 So it looks like you're done typing.I got it. Okay. All right, let me read the prompt. And we're gonna, we're gonna probably change some of this, but let's hear it. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, let me read the prompt. 17:52 And let's stop right there to give a quick shout-out to our sponsor of today's episode, and that is Tango. I have been seeing Tango everywhere on LinkedIn, so I caved. It's like one of those things, right? 18:04 When you see something enough, you end up caving, and you decide to try it. 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Now let's get back to the episode. Oh, yeah, yeah. 18:57 No, let me read the prompt. You are a parenting and family relationship expert with 25 years of experience helping parents create healthy relationships with their kids and spouses. 19:07 I am the host of a podcast called Two Dads and Tech, where we talk about tech and parenting in a digital native age. 19:14 We wanna create a challenge for parents that lasts for seven days and helps us to disconnect from technology to foster healthier relationships with our significant others and with our children. 19:22 Please use your expertise to give me seven things, one per day, that can be part of this seven-day challenge to disconnect from technology. Be extremely specific with a step-by-step guide to complete the challenge. 19:32 And this is the dopest output. Let's hear it. Should I even... I'm gonna just give you day one because we're not gonna give you everything here. You gotta follow- Okay. Two Dads and Tech- Mm. 19:42 And follow this challenge to get everything. Here's the output, day one. That's a fantastic idea, Daniel, and completely on brand for Two Dads and Tech. 19:50 Tech is amazing, but it also quietly erodes the small moments that build lasting relationships. 19:56 This seven-day challenge will help parents reclaim connection with their partners and kids by being deliberate about unplugging. So far, so good. 20:05 And the title is The Seven Day Digital Disconnect Challenge for Parents, title pending, presented by Two Dads and Tech. Each day has one focused activity. 20:14 It's not just about quitting tech, it's about creating presence on purpose. Day one, the phone basket ritual. Dinner time reset. Goal, create a sacred screen-free zone at the dinner table. 20:27 Steps, get a physical basket or box and place it in the center of the dining table or entryway. Announce to your family that this is now a phone basket. 20:36 Every dinner this week, all phones, including yours, go into the basket. During dinner, each family member answers one question from a printed list on the table. Examples, "What made you laugh today? 20:48 What's something you're proud of this week?" No screens until dishes are done and the table is cleared. 20:54 Why it works, reduces passive screen checking, anchors the family in shared conversation, and shows kids you're modeling what you expect of them. Mm. Wow. That's huge. And that's big. And- That's huge. 21:08 What this is assuming is that these kids are old enough to read, so if they're not, I think- That's right... you should answer two or three questions, you and your significant other should answer. Yeah. 21:14 If your kids are one, this is really more for your spouse and you, or if you don't have a spouse, if you're a single parent, you can be creative here a- and really just dial in on, like, what no screen time looks like for you. 21:27 But the, the goal here- Dude, that's beautiful... is to get rid of the screens from the start of dinner until you're done cleaning up. I think that's huge. Y- That might even be just 30, 45 minutes, but, 21:38 I mean- You know-... that's what people used to do. You know what we should do? It's gonna be a kind of a pain, but we should market this 21:46 in a way where it's like the questions that you ask, like, we should provide those questions. Like, "What made you laugh today? What's one thing that made you- 100%... upset or frustrated?" 21:53 Like, we should give people the framework, and all they have to do is g- go to day one, like, maybe make it into like a PDF, like day one, and then- Oh, this is a lead magnet for our newsletter. Okay. 22:03 This is all part of the grand scheme. Ooh. Ooh. People will subscribe to our newsletter to get this seven-day challenge. But- One email a day. Drip campaign with Beehiiv. Be, be, be, be, be, bee. 22:14 [laughs] And, and, and, and we should, I gotta figure this part out, but have some sort of giveaway to one of the, you know, one person that does this challenge. That's true. $1 million. 22:26 Um, so some sort of giveaway that [laughs]- We'll do a seed, we'll do a seed round for the giveaway. Just for a giveaway. [laughs] Hey, investors. We'll, we'll, we'll fundraise just to give all the money away. 22:36 Who wouldn't want to invest in a total giveaway without any return whatsoever? A cap table that's guaranteed- You're wrong... to fail. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. Because think about it. 22:46 If you make big swings and you told LinkedIn and TikTok, whatever, "You can win a million- That's right... dollars for completing this challenge"- Oh, 100%. TwoDadsandTech501c3. 22:54 I bet you we would have hundreds of thousands of people... Dude, it would, it would, it would definitely- The title will be Two Dads and Tech Goes Nonprofit Profit. [laughs] Oh, that'd be beautiful. But we can- Oh, yes. 23:08 We can go a lot of, we can go a lot of places with this. But yeah. We'll get a few sponsors for this that makes the, uh, the giveaway pretty, pretty awesome. I mean, why not? Ooh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We should do it. 23:15 Who wouldn't wanna sponsor this? I know. And if not- Done... I mean, we, then we should talk crap about all the companies that say no and say that they're not for good causes because they want people to be- That's right. 23:25 That's right. That's right. Dude, we have a lot of angles here. Oh, 100%. We're gonna be, we're gonna be ph- philanthropic billionaires. But, in all seriousness, let's definitely- No, but we're getting way off track. 23:36 Let's... Yeah, let's- This is an awesome challenge. This is an awesome challenge. We're gonna- Yes... we're gonna, we're gonna... By the time this episode releases, we'll have a way to... 23:44 In fact, I know for a fact it's gonna be a lead magnet. So by the time this episode releases, this is gonna be a lead magnet that you can just go find at twodadsintech.com.I'm putting my foot in my mouth. 23:54 This will happen by the time this episode is out, so go to twodadsandtech.com to find out more about this seven-day digital disconnect challenge. It's gonna be awesome. Mm. We hope you'll join us. Yeah, yeah. Boom. Dude. 24:06 Done. How was that for a live, live building? I love some vibe- Dude-... vibe disconnect right there, some vibe marketing, some vibe building. Some vibe podcast. Just some vibes. Some dad vibes. Just, yeah. 24:16 By the way, everything's a vibe now. Everyone's like, "Yeah, I'm vibe selling." I know. "I'm vibe marketing." Oh, vibe marketing. It's like you're just posting on LinkedIn. Please shut up. 24:24 [laughs] I'm vibe dot leadershipping. [laughs] I'm like, bro, relax. Relax, dude. I'm vibe trying to see something. We're taking it too far. I was a vibe trying to see something before vibe was trying to see something. 24:33 Dude. Dude, you- Oh, it's funny... were trying to see something last night, but hey, kind of like on this whole topic. [laughs] Oh, hold on. Something's in my eye. [laughs] You're so dumb. 24:42 Kind of like on this whole topic of tech and stuff, I have a question for you, and it was a comment. Do it now. Ask me immediately. I'm going to, I'm going to. There's something in my eye. 24:51 Um, it was a comment on a post of mine. I'm trying. [laughs] Hurry up and get... I'm trying, dude... get it out. Months ago. Someone said that parents, um, 25:02 are more, not all of them, of course, but parents are more interested in marketing their children than raising their children. Ooh. And I will... 25:09 I know, and I was like, dude, that's a really good take, and not even like a hot one, because there's a lot of influencers that just throw their kids and plaster them to, to build their, their fame, their audience, right? 25:20 What are your thoughts on that? What are your thoughts on people marketing their children and, uh... 25:26 Dude, there's all these reality shows that we, we've been watching that kinda like come out, and it's like that Mormon mom that had like eight kids or something like that, and sh- they were all influencers on YouTube, and now it comes out that she was abusing them and... 25:37 Anyways. Mm. Uh, anyways- I think-... all that to say, thoughts. Yeah. There's a really, I don't know if it's a fine line. 25:47 It's probably a fine line in the sense that it's hard to distinguish without being really, really real with yourself and looking in the mirror. Having children 25:56 and the ability to share about your kids with social media is something that parents love to do, just because they love to talk about being a parent and talk about their kids. Yeah, yeah. 26:08 I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Like, there's- No... like, since before technology, parents were like obsessed with talking about their kids whenever they got an opportunity. 26:16 They'd be in the Christmas cards. They'd call people, call their parents, call their friends, just talking about what their kids did that day. Like, people, parents love to talk about their kids. 26:25 There's nothing wrong with that. 26:26 I think social media has empowered parents to share milestones and moments their kids experienced with their friends, and even their second, third, fourth degree friends that aren't necessarily close friends. 26:40 That, I think, is why, like, Instagram has, like, the close friends option, where you can share these moments with who you think should be able to see those. 26:48 But I think the fine line starts with, like, when are you sharing these moments because you're just absolutely thrilled about something your child did, that you just wanna share about it, and you're doing it for that reason, versus the fine line between that reason and when you just want people to, like, notice that it happened. 27:05 A- and I say fine line because it's like, what do, how do you even define either of those? Like, are you posting it- Yeah... because you're like, "Yo, this is gonna get mad attention. 27:13 Like, this is totally gonna go viral." Yeah. Versus like, like I don't know. I, I've posted TikToks of silly moments. I'm like a loser on TikTok. 27:21 I have like 300 followers, so it's like I know it's not gonna be a viral moment. But I'm like, "Oh, this is hilarious." 27:26 Like, I'm singing at my, you know, my baby, and he's just cracking up, and his laugh is really funny. I'm like, "Oh, this is hilarious. I'm gonna post it on TikTok." But I'm like, I don't know. There's no malice. 27:37 I'm like, yo, this might get a ton of attention, but even if it does, like, one, he's so young, no one's gonna recognize him in, when, when it matters. 27:45 Like, uh, once my kids are old enough, we start to, like, purposely obfuscate the way they look online, just 'cause like, especially with our local media company, like, any time we post about our kids, we're making sure their faces aren't in it, because like we, people know who we are in our local area. 27:59 We don't want them to know our kids, especially our oldest, who's like, "Okay, that's what you're gonna look like, and here people will recognize you." I don't know. This is a hard one. Yeah. This is a hard one. Yeah. 28:09 I think that- What do you think? Yeah, no, I think that, like, you have a good point. There's a fine line. 28:13 There's, there's posting your kids 'cause you want like family and friends to see, like, what's just, how they're growing up. Especially, like we have, we were in Raleigh, we're in Austin. 28:20 Like, all of our friends are all over. They don't see the kids, right? They see the kids on, on social media. Um, I don't post at all. I haven't posted it on, on Instagram in like two years. I don't... 28:29 I think I posted one kid, may- or sorry, one picture or two pictures- Mm-hmm... maybe of my son on LinkedIn. I'm not one of those parents that's like anti posting kids. Like, you know, there's some. Yeah. 28:38 And there's nothing wrong with this, by the way, if you're listening, but like some that'll post, and they'll put like a smiley face emoji over the kid's face. Totally understand. Yeah. 28:44 Like, there's, there's weird people- No... out there, and I fully understand. Like, the world is weird. Same. It's scary. It's odd. So I'm, I'm not like one of those where I, I feel like I shouldn't post them. 28:55 I think I just don't. Like, I don't know why. I think honestly people would be like, "Oh, damn. Like, this guy's more authentic now because he's, he's posting family stuff." Right. Um- Right... 29:05 but there is a fine line, right? It, I think in the fine line, I don't think the people like us will know until like you catch onto something, but the fine line is the parent's thought process. 29:15 Am I posting this to try to get views, or am I posting this because I want the people that care to see? 29:19 But we won't know that unless it's like you finally, like over and over and over, you can tell like, okay, this person's really just doing this to like gain their followers. They got a little bit of traction. 29:27 Like, so I don't know anyone like that that's like, that's marketing their kids, but I mean, but I know it's out there. It's hard. [laughs] Yeah. I don't, I don't either. 29:36 I mean, I think what social media does is it, it makes those few, I don't know how few it is, it might be a lot. Excuse me. 29:46 It makes those few, like, very viral examples so well known that it's like, oh, I can't believe parents are doing this. Yeah. But it's like, how many, how many really are? 29:56 Like-Maybe 100 that are, like, extremely viral examples, and we're talking, like, billions of views a year with their kids. 100 would be even probably pushing it, I mean, with how viral those are. 30:09 And I think a great example is you just recently saw, uh... 30:14 Oh, I'm, I'm blanking on the YouTuber, very famous boys' adventure YouTuber that he said he, he quit, he quit doing YouTube, um- Hmm, because he didn't want, he didn't think it was... 30:27 Oh, gosh, he was, he said he was growing too fast and he didn't want his kids- Outdoor Boys. Yes. Outdoor Boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm looking at his YouTube channel now. He posted a video called Goodbye. 30:36 He has 15.4 million subscribers. This goodbye video alone, posted three days ago, has almost 13 million views. Billions of views over the course of, I think, 17 years of this channel. Yeah. 30:47 Uh, he's almost like the Blue's Clues. People have, like, this affinity. Tom? Is that his name from Blue's Clues? What's the guy's name? Steve, Steve was the first one. Steve. Steve. 30:56 And then I think Joe was the other, yeah. Steve. I'm thinking, I'm thinking of Steve. Steve, like, when, when Steve left, like, there was like a part of- Mm. Yep... 31:02 people's childhoods that just, like, was crushed, like, damaged. Yeah, for sure. That's how people are re- reacting. Not like, "Oh, I'm crushed you're leaving. 31:09 Don't leave," but, like, a part of people grew up, parents and just boys and kids in general, watching this guy be adventurous with his family. And he's leaving 31:21 specifically because he's starting to feel the negative effects of how, quote, famous he's getting. Yeah. And, I, I'm gonna be honest with you, like, this guy was not on my radar until this video. Same. 31:35 Like, I, I just, I- Yeah... I'm like, but I see. I'm like, okay, if you've got 15 million views, and there were, uh, there were so many people that are just up in arms about this guy. Like, "I love this guy. 31:46 I've watched every single video he's posted for the last 10 years. My kids like..." I'm like, okay. 31:50 He was feeling those effects of going out in public and people asking to g- take pictures with him, and, you know, he was consider- or he was, he was concerned about the safety of his family. 31:59 Like, his kids are in all these videos. Like, that's part of the channel, is he was going on adventures, camping, skiing, hiking through snow and mountains and stuff with his kids. 32:09 And that's, like, the Outdoor Boys is him and his sons. I think they're all sons is why it was called the Out- Outdoor Boys. 32:14 I'm like, yeah, I, all probably done in good faith and for good reasons, but you got so big so fast. His point was, "If I don't..." Like, he's like, "We're safe now, and I think leaving now is, like, good." Yeah. 32:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah. "If I wait until I'm feeling literal danger or unsafety from how big we get, it, it'll be impossible to slow down." Yeah. Just like you think... I mean, let's say MrBeast quit right now. Yeah. 32:43 Yeah, yeah. Th- maybe- If-... 15 or 20 years would have to pass before he would go out in public and people wouldn't recognize him, and even then. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Even then, yeah. 32:50 I don't even think he, I don't even think he could. It's like- He doesn't, he doesn't- You're so mega famous. Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Like, I don't think you could ever get away from it. 32:56 And so I think this guy's trying to protect his future, his kids' future. Like, you know, his channel, his kids are still pretty young. 10 years from now, people won't re- won't recognize him, you know? 33:06 I think that's the safety of quitting now versus when they're teens and it's like they will, their whole life will be built from this fame of his dad. I don't know. It's an interesting concept to think through. It is. 33:16 And something that I can tell that you're, you're pretty passionate about is content creation. Let's hypothetically say that you started growing big. Do you think that- Yeah... 33:27 and maybe you have to be in those shoes to really understand, like, how daunting it can be, but, like- Yeah... 33:32 do you think, let's say the podcast or let's say you start doing more content, who knows, and you start blowing up and you get million, two million, five million followers- Mm... 33:40 do you think that, like, you would be happy with a life like that? Or would you assume that you would also have to kinda backtrack and be like, "Whoa, there's too much attention on us"? It's hard to say. 33:50 I think- And would you, and, and would you want to do that? Like, would you want to do that full time? So let's hear it all. Yeah. I've, I've gotten blips of that reality just with viral posts. 34:01 I'm by no means, like, a viral content creator. I wouldn't even pretend to be. But I've had, I've had posts over the last few years pop off and get millions and millions and millions of views and reactions and, 34:14 without fail, every single one of those posts have people agreeing with whatever you said, disagreeing, and hating, like, severely. Yeah. 34:24 Uh, to the point where I remember, like, my, my LinkedIn photo, people don't even recognize me a lot of times because my LinkedIn photo is a picture of me, hard to see my face, carrying my firstborn a few years back, and we're just, like, he's on my shoulders and we're having fun. 34:39 It's, like, a photo shoot we did. I'm a silly content creator. LinkedIn, I'm, like, very rarely, probably 75% of my content is silly, 25% serious, like, actually helpful tips and tricks of how to, you know, X, Y, and Z. 34:52 People will just hate on, "How is this guy, you know, using his platform as a dad and with a kid in his photo talking idiotic stuff?" 35:02 Like, I'm like, "How, how did you even draw the line between what I just said in this post and the fact that I'm, you know, carrying my kid in my photo?" So I don't know. 35:10 I've, I've felt the negative effects of what people somehow draw conclusions of with me being a dad. 35:16 I think there's a at least a greater than zero chance that in the next five to 10 years I have a fairly substantial platform. Um, just- Yeah... 35:25 plainly even considering the fact that I already have a greater than zero platform. Like, uh, you know- Yeah, yeah, yeah... I have 20,000 followers on LinkedIn and, you know, uh, you know, 7,000 on X. 35:35 That's like nothing, but, you know, I get millions of impressions on both platforms every month. So it's like, that's not nothing. Yeah, yeah. I'm not at all puffing my chest and saying I've made it, but I don't know. 35:44 It's like- No, you're huge. You're huge. I know. I'm freaking MrBeast myself, you know? MrBeast is copying me on everything he does. I don't know, man. 35:51 I, we, my, my wife and I are already very intentional with our media company locally about not putting our kids in a weird position. 35:59 Like, we very distinctly don't want them to be recognized in public.Because like, eventually like, 36:06 like our kids go to school, and if someone recognizes them in public and is a psychopath and knows where we live or knows where our kids go to school, like that's, that's not good. We don't want that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 36:17 So like, I don't know. What- I don't know, I don't know... what do you do? You know, it's, it's hard. 36:22 It's you can't live in fear, but you also don't wanna intentionally put yourself in a really dumb situation, and I think you can be vocal and do what you gotta do without putting yourself in stupid situations purposely. 36:33 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know either. I don't know what you do. I know that like I- I love creating content. I wish that like I can create better videos and like throw... 36:42 Like, it'd be so sick to like just create YouTube videos. I don't know. I think it'd be a, a very fun time, but- Yeah, that would be fun... 36:49 like I've thought of like taking all these healthy dessert recipes and healthy recipes on TikTok and like just making them real time, and even, and this is kind of [chuckles] going back to marketing your kids, and this is a horrible example, but it's like I was like maybe Liam would help me make them, and then like we'll see if he likes them. 37:01 But like, that's, that is blatantly marketing your child. Ah, yeah. It's tough. So I don't know. And I'm never going to do that. I'm never going to do that 'cause I was like- Yeah... I don't want my kid to be... 37:10 But like in my mind I'm like, "Oh, that's like a cool little series that a lot of people could adapt to and, and hang onto," because a lot of dads wanna be out there, and a lot of dads wanna kick it with their kids, so I don't know, man. 37:20 I think the, the logical line is so hard because it's all about consent. And on the one hand, your kids can't consent to being part of those videos if you're thinking through like what age appropriate- Yeah... 37:34 is for all that stuff. For sure. But on the other hand, your kids also can't do anything without your permission, like at all. You go to school and they're watching a PG-13 movie, you have to sign. 37:43 Like that's, that's like how it is. Like, oh, can we show this? 37:46 So like in the same way, like you can, if you, if you go down that same exact logical slope, say that while their consent is my consent, that they can be in this video 'cause I'm their parent. 37:57 Like, I'm not saying you should do that, but like the logic and slippery slope of that deductive logic is that you can basically do whatever you want with your kids because you are their parent. 38:09 Not a great form of approach, but I'm sure that's probably the, the justification a lot of people take. Meanwhile- Yeah... unrelated, I can literally hear my kid coughing like a maniac right now. So- Yeah. [laughs]... 38:22 uh, my mic is good enough to where you guys can't hear that, but that's just the life we live is I- Dude... I'm just hearing coughing, uh, right now constantly. Yeah. Kinda sad. 38:29 Yeah, Liam's had a gnarly cough, gnarly cough. And dude, this is so annoying. So annoying. So he's potty trained. He hasn't, he hasn't had an accident in over a month. Hm. 38:40 He's never pooped himself or anything, but he's, he's peed himself a couple times. Sure, sure. As we all- But it's been a while. It's... Yeah, yeah. And me too, right? I po- but I poop myself instead. Same. 38:49 No, I poop, I poop your pants. I poop your pants. [laughs] Um, you pooped in my, uh, my, my Reebok briefs. Um, so- That's exactly right. That's right. That's right. All right. So 39:01 this weekend, and I don't know if he's going through a regression or what, Friday he peed himself. We went golfing, and he just peed himself, which I- I'm like, okay, you're in a, you're in an environment. 39:10 But he's, he's gone pee and poop in the trees at a park because like he had to go, and like that's what you do. You let your kids go. Whatever, yeah. Yeah. Right? So- Exactly... uh, so hid in trees. He did his thing. 39:20 For some reason at golfing he was like, "I'm just gonna pee myself," so he peed himself. And then the next day, so Sunday, or two days later, I don't know, it doesn't matter. Yeah, so golfing Saturday. 39:29 We went to a Brewers game, an MLB game on Sunday. Brought him, peed himself. Yesterday, went to school, came home, peed himself. And I'm like, "Dude, that's three days in a row. You haven't done this in over a month." 39:39 Yeah. What do I do? So like I'm gonna ask you. This is real time stuff, so we are like- Sure... okay, do we put him back in pull-ups? 'Cause he hates pull-ups. He thinks it's so cool- Yeah... to wear underwear. Yeah. 39:48 Hates pull-ups. So our thing is like- Yeah, yeah... all right, well, it looks like we need to wear pull-ups now, and he screams, "No, no!" And I'm like, "Okay, fine," like, "you're gonna go in underwear." 39:56 Like, at what point is it are you like, "Dude, do we, do we [chuckles] need to kind of bring you back to pull-ups for a little bit?" 40:02 I actually feel like we do need to let the teachers know that he's been regressing a bit so they can f- offer more- I think- Yeah... yeah. 40:09 The older, the older Everett gets, the more obvious it is to me how many kids just w- quote, "wet the bed," like- Yeah... for a while. Like, like- Oh, yeah. For sure... Everett doesn't have accidents anymore. 40:22 He's been fully potty trained for like, I don't know, six months now, uh, at least. But, like, he's in these three and four-year-old classes, 40:32 and people, I mean, I even hear from my friends who have older kids, like five, six years old, like kids wet the bed. Yeah, yeah. 40:39 And that's just a manner of speaking, like kids have accidents like for years, and some more than others. 40:44 Like there's a full spectrum of like, oh, my kid doesn't have any accidents and he hasn't since he was three versus like, yeah, my kid wets the bed once a month and he's six. 40:51 The, uh, so I think, I don't even think I would use the word regression. I think I would just call a spade a spade. Like, oh, he's not even three years old yet. Yeah. 41:00 And he is potty trained, but he has accidents periodically, and it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. 41:04 I think there's an approach where you wanna parent in a way that's like encouraging them not to do that, and I think there's a very, uh, respectful, gentle method of like making 41:18 those accidents like something they're somewhat ashamed of. Like, it sounds bad, but like- Yeah, yeah. No, I-... you want to over time create like a, like, "Hey, buddy," like, "it's okay. 41:29 Accidents happen, but remember, you don't pee your pants." Yeah. "You, you gotta tell- Exactly, yeah... Mommy and Daddy when you have to pee." Exactly. I know you're doing this. 41:37 For the listeners also doing this, like that's not wrong. You, you eventually need to very gently create an atmosphere where, like, they don't feel proud of that. 41:48 I've seen both ends of the spectrum where the kid has a, quote, "regression" and eventually just like stops caring. They're like, "Oh, I'm just peeing my pants 'cause that's what you do when you have to pee." 41:56 It's like, well, that's the extreme of you're not creating- Yeah... an environment where that's not okay, and then they're just like, "Well, this is okay." So it's a balance. I wouldn't- Yeah... feel anything about it. 42:05 Like-Who cares? They have accidents, they're kids. I'm sure Liam is, like, not proud of it, and ultimately he probably feels somewhat embarrassed, and so, like, it'll sort itself out. 42:15 Uh, it could also be a sign that he's getting a little sick. I've seen that before where the kid'll just, like, have some accidents, and it's because they just don't feel good. I don't know. Yeah. I have no idea. 42:23 Same reason I do it. But like, there's, there's a lot of reasons. Yeah, exactly. I put my pants every day- Oh... just 'cause I feel like it, to be honest. 42:28 Yeah, and that's kinda the, that's kinda the route we're taking right now. Um [laughs], and it's funny, 'cause he'll... Every single time he'll ask, "Are you sad?" 42:34 I'm like, "Well, yeah, I'm kinda sad, to be honest, that you did that." And he's like... And then he'll, uh, ask right after, "Are you happy?" I'm like, "Not really. I'm not really that happy right now. 42:44 I'm, I'm pretty sad about this." But the, he loves asking that. He always goes around, "Are you happy?" Yes. I'm like, "Yeah, man." Yes. "Yeah. Come over here. Give me a hug." Um, but he- Yeah... 42:53 I, I know he knows not to do it, and um, yeah. We're just like, like you said, like I mean, I peed the bed till I was way older- Till when?... than I should've. I, I should text my mom- Oh, I remember this... right now. 43:04 She won't answer, but on next podcast maybe I'll tell you, but I don't know if I was double digits or not, but I was old, man. Dude. I was like, I'm, I could not- I mean, but like-... figure it out. [laughs] It... 43:15 [sighs] I don't, I... It's like kids wet the bed. Like, that's what... I, I don't think- Yeah... I don't think there's anything wrong with that. 43:20 Like, obviously for the parent's sake, it's good to get them to stop as early as possible, because it's just, like, something you have to deal with as a parent. 43:29 And then ultimately the kid will get old enough to where they're, like, really embarrassed by it and feel, like, shame that they shouldn't feel, like unhealthy shame. 43:37 So, like, there's a, there's definitely a, a spectrum, but like Liam- Yeah... what, he's three- Yeah, he's-... in June, right? It's like, who cares? Three in July, yeah. So July. Plus Everett. 43:47 Everett's, like, three and a half right now, probably close to it- Yeah, yeah, yeah... as of right now. Is, um, is he in underwear overnight or, like, Pull-Ups at night? No, underwear overnight. 43:56 We did Pull-Ups- Oh, wow... when we were, like, potty training. Okay. But like, uh, I don't, I don't remember how many days of dry we waited till he did underwear overnight. Probably seven days. Uh- Yeah, okay... 44:05 but he just doesn't have accidents. Uh- Okay. So Liam does. He- I think... Yeah. Yeah. I think he wet his bed once in the last maybe six months. Dang, that's good. Maybe 'cause he was sick. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I, we got... 44:16 We lucked out. Like, that's, that's, like, one end of the spectrum where it's like, oh, that's awesome. But again, we, our expectations were nothing. 44:23 We're like, "Hey, he could wet the bed every night for months or never." And he's just very particular. Like, when he's done eating, like, he has to clean his hands. 44:31 He hates being, he hates just being dirty, which it's like- Yeah... nice. Okay, good. Yeah. Nice for the parents. Like, we also hate it. We also hate- [laughs]... when you're dirty, so you know, good. 44:40 Uh, so I think part of it's just how, like, compulsive he is of, like, not wetting his bed. Um- Yeah... but again, you know, sometimes it happens 'cause you're asleep, and what do you do? So. Yeah, yeah. 44:48 And then, uh- Yeah... Maverick, he's a year? Is he about- Yep... is he a year yet? Just had his year birthday. Yeah. Let's go. Just had his, uh, this month. Yep, yep. So we haven't even- Is he, is he walking?... 44:58 started that conversation yet. Or getting close? Almost. He's- Okay. He's getting there... 45:01 he's pulled himself up, and he's, you know, doing the scoots and the whatever you call it, the where you're holding yourself up and walking around. He scoot to the side. Yeah, yeah. He hasn't... 45:08 Yeah, he hasn't taken his first steps, but he, he wants to. Like, I'll hold my hands out away from the wall, and he'll, he'll kind of hold out and think about it, but he just hasn't done that. Little plod. Yep. 45:17 I think he'll probably- Yeah... I think he'll probably start waddling in the next, honestly, in the next, like, one or two months. Like, he's just- Yeah... right there at the cusp. Yeah, yeah. That's sick. Yeah. 45:25 How do they get along? Yeah. Great. Great. That's good. Everett loves him. Maverick adores Everett. Maverick sometimes doesn't know his own strength, so will start to, like, wrestle him, which actually Maverick loves. 45:36 Like, they'll, they love wrestling, but like [laughs] sometimes, you know, a three-and-a-half-year-old wrestling this one-year-old, like, it's like, okay, hey, hey, too rough, too rough, and i- it's not malicious at all. 45:45 It's just like, yo, you're huge, and he's, like, a tiny baby still. [laughs] But, uh, yeah, they, they love each other. They love each other. That's sick. Yeah, same with Liam. Yeah. Liam loves- Yeah... 45:53 and adores Harrison. And Harrison's, he's still... I mean, he hasn't... I think he's try, he is trying to roll over from, uh, back to belly. He's, like, getting all, like, that's 80%- Nice... of the way there. 46:03 He can't get his arm out- Nice... from under him, but same thing, like, it, it was so cute yesterday. My, my wife went out to, to dinner with a couple friends, and Liam was just, like, hel- like, you know those little... 46:15 They have, like, a base, and there's, like, a stick, and you put rings on it or whatever. You just, like, a ring stack toy, whatever. I don't even know what you would call it. 46:21 Liam was doing it in front of Harrison, and Harrison was just, like, laughing, and it was so cute. I was like- Yeah... "Oh, y'all are, y'all are amazing." 46:27 But, uh, 'cause I hear the other side where, like, the kid gets real jealous, and, and luckily Liam never got jealous or mad that attention went to, to Harrison, but, um- Yeah... it's awesome, dude. 46:37 It's awesome seeing them interact. It is, and they'll interact more and more. In the next six or seven months, uh, your kids will become best friends. I mean, it'll be- Yeah... it'll be- That's so cool... awesome to see. 46:48 Yeah. I had this post on LinkedIn the other day, and it was about this debacle where my kid got really sick, and I had to, like, you know... 46:58 I have my headphones in most of the day, uh, either because I'm in a meeting or because I'm trying to focus, and there's just, like, so much noise in my house. 47:03 But, like, every now and again, not every day, certainly not every day, but I'll hear something from my wife that's like, "Okay, I gotta go f- figure out- Yeah... what this is." Yesterday I heard, you know, "Daniel." 47:16 And then I hear, I, I, like, take my headphone off. It's, you know, over the head headphones I'm usually wearing. Take it off and I hear, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Daniel, come here." 47:24 And I'm like, rip the headphones off- [laughs] Yeah... and I'm just, like, sprinting- Oh, yeah... out the door, and there's just, like, throw up all over her, throw up all through the hallway. 47:33 He's in the bathroom, my oldest, and he's just, like, barfing and... Yeah, dude. I posted about this on LinkedIn more, more or less just to be like, "Yo, hats off to all the parents who work from home." 47:44 Like, this is, like, a seriously difficult job, and I don't think people understand who don't have parents or who don't have kids who are working from home. 47:51 Like, I work with so many people who work from home and don't have kids, and I'm, I'm like, I don't make a big deal about it, 'cause I'm like, you know, good for you, but, like, you, you just can't possibly comprehend what I'm dealing with every single day. 48:02 [laughs] Things that you just, your brain can't, can't comprehend. And it's fine. No, no problem to you, but it's just like I'm dealing with 100 times more things than you are every day. 48:12 And-I got a lot of comments on that, and a lot of people... There's a spectrum. 48:17 A lot of people are like, "Yes, it's great that I get to work from home because I get to be available and I get to be present, but you know, I also have an office outside that I, I love getting away and having that deep work." 48:27 And I don't have an office. I've thought about going and getting- Me too. Yeah... like obviously this is my office at home. I've thought about building an office in the backyard, I've thought about getting- Yeah... 48:35 a co-working space. I'm always back and forth about it, 'cause I- Me too... I don't wanna really leave, like it feels like I'd be leaving for all the wrong reasons. 48:43 Like well, part of the joy of working from home is being present, and leaving- Yeah... is me like admitting- Yep... that I like don't wanna be there. I don't know. What are your thoughts on that? 48:52 Like, getting an office outside. It, it feels like a cop-out. Like I'm like well- Yeah. Dude... what, what other benefit is there from working from home if I don't get to be here with the kids, you know? Yeah. Yeah. 49:01 Oh, man. This is just a constant mental battle I have with myself. Um, 'cause I, you know, built this office in my house, so it's like why would I not work here? 49:10 But there is that, like there is that part of me where it's like, man, if I was just even one day a week out of the house, no distractions- Mm... eight hours of just hardcore work, like how- Yeah... 49:21 much more productive will I be? What, you know, what more will I get done? I don't know, 'cause I don't do it. Yeah. And I was actually- Yeah... I met up with a, um, like a WeWork type space. 49:29 It's called Serendipity Labs. Same thing. Um- Oh, yeah. I have a, exactly the same. So- Serendipity Labs down the street. I, I thought about going and getting a membership there... look at that. 49:36 That's, that's the one- So-... I would go to if I got one. 49:38 So, so what's funny is, and you should probably do this, I chatted with like the salesperson there, then I got in touch with the marketer, and I told the marketer, "Okay, I've got a little bit of an audience on LinkedIn. 49:46 What I can do is do like happy hours and host like a monthly event here, and then you would get those emails, and then you'd be able to go sell them on the office space if I can get an office for free." 49:55 And they're like, "Honestly, this sounds like a pretty good deal." But then that sales rep got fired, and then we kind of just like split- Dang... you know, split. I didn't even think of that. And I know. 50:03 I did it in Raleigh. 'Cause I also have a local business. I got a f- I got a f- I got a free office in Raleigh. So like- Oh, dude. I can, I can s- Same, same, same way. You can sling it, I promise. Yes. Ooh, ooh, buddy. 50:11 Ooh, buddy. Just host, just host like a monthly- Honestly, that's just an angle I hadn't even considered. I can 100%... Bro. I don't even have to host anything. I just do a shout-out- Leverage that audience, dude... 50:17 on my local, my, my local newsletter every now and again. Like that's, that's worth- Dude... $500 to $1,000 per shout-out. Telling you. Easy. Telling you, man. Easy. 50:26 You, when you have emails and you have an audience, you get things, a little bit more things for free. And so did it in Raleigh, and I'm, I might do it here, but again, it's the same battle. 50:34 I'm like, like I feel wrong leaving the wife with the kid and all that stuff, but maybe once he goes to daycare I'll revisit it and see. But that, uh, there's nothing close to me now. 50:44 It's like 15, 20 minutes away, so it's like I hate commuting. So I probably won't do it, but I don't think it's a bad idea, and I think that 50:51 right now you're framing it in a way where you're leaving for the wrong reasons, but also, like what more could you get done? 50:57 And maybe you're not, maybe you're like very heads down and it's very hard for you to get distracted at work, and at that point- Yeah... it is the wrong reasons. It depends. But- I'm distracted constantly... 51:05 I don't know. I mean, I've, I've learned to just deal with it. Me too. Same. But like, um, like even right now, my, I just hear this c- coughing is just so bad, dude. I, I- Yeah. I feel bad... 51:13 right after the show today I gotta like check in with the family- Yeah... and be like, "Yo, is there like, what's going on?" Which, that's a good segue. That's a good segue- Yeah... 'cause we're coming up on time. 51:19 It is a good segue. I know. This was a good episode. And seven-day- It was a great episode... digital disconnect challenge is coming up. 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Um- Yes... and then, do you think maybe I'll open up this episode with the seven-day digital, like, "Hey, by the way, in this episode we go over this challenge." 52:18 Maybe I should open with- Not a bad idea... like the first thing people hear, 'cause we just mentioned it- Not a bad idea... 52 minutes in. Maybe we should- That's right. Uh, we'll see. We'll see. 52:25 Anyways- Not a bad idea. Yeah... y'all heard Daniel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go check this out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You did a- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, bye- You did a-... bye, bye, bye. 52:36 You did a really good job this episode. You did too. You did too. Thank you. You did too. All right, we'll see you later. 52:42 What if we just record like 45 more minutes of just like us, us working and not even talking to each other? [humming] Just like typing. All right. All right. We're done. We're done. We're done. We're done. Bye, bye, bye.
