Transcript 0:00 Welcome back to another episode of Two Dads and Tech, episode 44. Hit the subscribe button. Do five stars, Apple, Spotify, all that fun stuff. Daniel, what's up, man? We have... What are you doing? 0:11 Oh my goodness, if you're watching this on YouTube, clip that. [laughs] Boop, boop, boop. All right. So dude, big news in the tech space today. 0:20 There's two technologies that have come out recently, and this is gonna air a week after recording, so it's, it's massive news today. It'll be big news in a week, but it's massive news today. 0:30 Um, I'm gonna let you take it away on the first technology that came out today and it was announced- Sora... 'cause it's crazy. Sora. Sora 2. OpenAI released a new model of Sora, which is Sora 2. 0:43 Surprise, they have great naming convention. And it is mind-blowing. 0:48 Sora 2 is the ability to create hyper-realistic videos with audio and voice with a prompt, and you can use your own likeness and create all types of videos in, hyper-realistic or surreal. 1:05 I mean, there's people out here making, like, ASMR videos with Pikachu, like I saw that, where it's, like, a real, you know, real-looking Pikachu doing, like... [imitates typing] On the... Like, just crazy stuff. 1:17 So it's like the... What, what I'm seeing and what is mind-blowing to me is how fast I learned how to use it and created videos that are indistinguishably me. I have a video today I made in five seconds 1:34 saying, "We've reached a trillion subscribers on Two Dads and Tech," and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [laughs] "By the way, this isn't even me. This is AI." And it... 1:42 I mean, if you look closely, that's, that's not Daniel. Like, if you know me and you've heard me talk, it sounds a little different. But, like, 1:50 if you've never seen me talk and you don't know exactly what my teeth look like, like, it's me, and it's, it's fooling a lot of people. And so, man, I-I... If you haven't checked out Sora 2, check it out. 2:06 It's invite-only right now. I'm sure they're doing that to, you know, create a threshold of their system so it doesn't, you know, crash, but it is mind-boggling. Here's my prediction. 2:17 Prediction number one, because I'm already seeing the feed. 2:19 Sora 2 is literally a feed, just like TikTok, of all AI-generated videos, and a lot of them have a ton of likes and comments and stuff, and it literally just feels like you're scrolling TikTok. 2:31 It feels like you're on a social media platform. So prediction number one, Sora is going to compete with TikTok, with Instagram. That's prediction number one. Prediction number two, Hollywood is screwed. 2:46 I don't know how this is going to affect, like, cinema and, and full-length movies, but I mean, I'm seeing even, like, stuff that required a stunt double back in the day. Back in the day, like yesterday. 3:01 I think they're just gonna use AI for those minor bits in between where an actor exists and a stunt double is replaced because, one, why put someone in actual jeopardy and life's harm way who doesn't need to be there? 3:18 But two, like, you can't tell the difference. I'm, I'm watching... There was this one video of this, like, Olympic figure skater that legit looked exactly like real life. I... 3:31 Not a single part of this video could I have told... I would've said, "Oh, wow. That's cool. It's a Oly- Olympic rerun." There's just no reason to do certain things in videos now. 3:42 I think the art of it is why people will still do it. Like, oh, that's... Real is art, and the, you know, the, the film of, of it being not AI, I think there's gonna be an appeal there. But Sora is 3:54 an impressive technology. I have not been this impressed by something in a long time. Cool. So I will... Thanks for the breakdown. Uh, that was great. Um, but I will... I wanna ask a couple questions 4:05 'cause you told me- Okay. Ask them... it's gonna compete- Stupid. Oh. [laughs] Stupid question asker. You stupid idiot. You told me over text it's gonna compete with Instagram and compete with TikTok, and I disagree. 4:14 So my, my first question is, right now, and maybe it's just because it's early on, it just was released today, it's invite-only. I think there's like, if you Google it, y'all, it's, like, invite codes all over Reddit. 4:24 But what I will say is, one, it has the Sora logo floating around the video. Do you think that will stay, or do you think that will be- You can already remove it. Yeah, no, no- Okay... 4:32 specific plans, specific plans, $200 a month right now, which I, I think is on purpose, but specific plans can remove it already. Yeah. That's what I was saying. And it does not have it floating around outside of Sora. 4:44 Yeah. On Sora- Yeah, yeah... or sorry, inside of Sora. In Sora, it's just a video. Once you- Yep... download it, which is actually exactly how TikTok is. Yeah. Yeah. So- Okay, so-... it's, it's no different. 4:55 I think that's a, that's a safety net too. Like, I don't want my face floating out there and, you know, people saying I said something I never said, which you... 5:02 There's privacy settings, so my face can't be used by anyone but me currently. But yeah, no, that's, it's- Yeah... to me, that's a non-starter. Yeah. 5:11 But there's, that, that kind of begs the question of, realistically, do you think it'll remain that way? 5:17 Like, at some point, you have to imagine that there's a world in which you will need to be able to identify what's created with AI and what's not. 5:24 You can't just think- I, I think- I, I, I agree with your second point, by the way. I do wanna backtrack. 5:29 I agree with your second point where, like, I wouldn't say Hollywood is screwed, but Hollywood will change big time 'cause you can create- Yeah... like you mentioned, like, cinematic trailers, movies with Sora. 5:38 If you have not used it yet, go check it out. But- Eh... you can create in it. Like, it's got the sounds of a door closing. It's got the sounds of an- Yeah... elephant. It's got the s- Yep... like, it's crazy, right? 5:46 But at some point, we're gonna have to be able to distinguish what's real and what's not. Yep. 5:51 I think- And maybe I'm wrong, and if we know an app, like Sora, is all AI-created, we have the ability and we have, like, the, the instinct to latch on to people and their personalities, and I don't think that it's gonna compete with TikTok because of that. 6:03 It's all A- AI-created. It's not a real person.Now there begs the question of, okay, you can download it, then go post it to TikTok. Now what? Like, now can you tell if it's them or not? 6:13 That's a, a different question, which is why I'm like, I feel like you'll have to know at some point if, hey, this was... Like LinkedIn does it. So yeah, what are your thoughts around all of that? 6:20 I think Sam Altman, Sam Altman has already spoken on this topic. The, the ways that we've been introducing elements of AI to real footage and real pictures and real elements of humans for a decade now has already become 6:40 not reality, and something as simple as a filter, for example. 6:45 You know, there's TikTok creators out there whose every single video have a fairly drastic filter on their face that makes them appear very different than they would in real life. 6:56 Now you can say, "Well, that's not the same thing." 6:58 My question to you would be very similar to the way that I questioned the thought experiment our last episode with the chair that you replace four legs, a back, and a seat on. 7:06 At what point does it go from that's real to that's fake? And I think we're seeing it from both sides, from extremely real, you know, raw video with a filter on it, 7:19 but now from extremely AI raw video that looks exactly like me. I mean, both sides are getting very close to a middle. One, one performs the task, one doesn't. [laughs] One performs a task, and one doesn't. 7:31 One does the action, one doesn't. At that point, i-i-it's... We're, we're headed into a world, and I think it's very true with B2B. 7:38 I feel like it's a little bit different in the creator economy, and maybe I'm wrong here, but we're heading into a world in which the future of work is whoever writes the best prompt wins. Like that's- Yeah. 7:48 Absolutely... what I think that's with Sora, with ChatGPT- Yep... with Perplexity- Yep... with Gemini, anything today. But I do think, like for example, I think it competes with these cinematic sort of 7:59 movies, but like shorts, reels- Yeah... TikTok, where it's like you're latching onto a personality. 8:05 If you can't, if you can't tell the difference and it gets so good to the point where you can't tell the difference, you're right. But if you know that you are watching AI videos, you're not gonna like- No... 8:13 latch onto a fake video. No, no, no. You know what I'm saying? Here's why you're wrong. There are already millionaire Instagram and TikTok creators that do not exist. I agree. Yep. There is. 100% AI. There are. 8:27 I mean, we could pull up their platforms, their- Very, very, very small percentage. Very, very, very small percentage. Small percentage, but, but- Tiny... absolutely, but they exist. And how many more- Yeah... 8:36 exist that aren't millionaires, that aren't successful? A lot. And so we've already proven the concept with platforms created for actual people that AI can and will succeed, fully AI. 8:49 So now a platform that's created specifically for those AI avatars, where people are encouraged to create an entire universe around these fake videos, I am... 9:02 I would bet my life this will be a staying power social platform. I don't know how much it will compete with TikTok and Instagram. Like, will it put TikTok and Instagram out of business? No, I wouldn't bet on that. 9:16 But I cannot imagine... 9:18 And whether it's like the current version of Sora or like a continuously built on social platform that Sora is now the, like the V1 of, like I don't know, it might have a different name, but s- what Sora just did today introduces a new social platform. 9:34 It will succeed, and- Yeah... and it w- it will, it will last. It will not be the DeepSeek of like three days of relevance, and then like who's used DeepSeek since 2024? Like no one. It will be around. 9:46 I, I, I can't imagine it going anywhere because it just introduced a brand new way of creative to the world. Yeah. Yeah. I, I do agree that it'll be around, and I agree that... 9:58 Like when it, when you, when I downloaded the app this morning, because you reached out to me and said, "Download the app," downloaded the app, and I mean, it, it was pretty interesting that they created the app, and I know that they're, that they're doing this, doing this on purpose because everybody's addicted to social media. 10:13 When I logged in and saw that there was just a feed, I was like, "That's pretty wild that there's just like a- Mm... feed of people making these AI videos." Like, you don't have that today really anywhere. 10:20 Like, there's not this open source- No, there's not... feed of just AI-created videos. So that's pretty cool, and I do believe that there will be channels and successful Sora creators and things like that. 10:30 At the end of the day, maybe that's where the differentiators lie, are like, "Hey, TikTok's just we're real people talking about real things." 10:36 Sora's like, "Hey, who can be the most creative prompter and create the most entertaining and prompting, you know, entertaining prompts out there?" Um, maybe that's the differentiator between the two. Maybe. 10:46 I think we're gonna see- I don't know... we're, we're just gonna see... So like if you remember, I remember when ChatGPT first went viral. Yeah. Yeah. 10:57 I don't remember what year it was, two or three years ago, um, maybe a little longer. But like- It was right before I moved in here. It was uh- Yeah. Three, maybe three and a half years ago. Yeah. Yeah. 11:05 About, about here. Yeah. But like you... Like, I can tell this chatbot to write something. I mean, just that very simple thought. 11:16 Like write a surreal 500-word post about Daniel Burke going to Mar- and like it would do it. That was mind-boggling to me. Unreal. You know what's crazy? That's still mind-boggling to a lot of people, 11:35 which is just so telling of how fast technology has developed that to me, I'm unfazed by that. That's just a fact. It's the same- That's table stakes. Yeah... 11:44 as a McDonald's existing on every corner and Starbucks having coffee. I'm like, "Yeah, of course ChatGPT can do that." There are people that just don't... 11:51 Like a, like most of, most of humans, [laughs] most people in the world are still mesmerized by AI's ability to do literally anything. Yeah. 12:01 And so that we've already gotten to a place where AI can create cinematic quality, sound production value videos, I mean- Yeah. Yeah. 12:12 I'm thinking of like-What about the next presidential election or how we- Yeah, yeah... perceive global events? 12:21 How will other countries use this in their own civil or cold wars to do propaganda? 12:30 Like, there's so much that will be used or that, that this will be used for beyond just the, you know, fun little doohickeys. 12:39 Like I s- I, I told Sora this morning to make me like Ashton Hall, where the videos where he's like- I saw that... running next to- Yeah. 12:45 And I'm like, I didn't give it much instruction, but it, it gave me something pretty funny. Uh, and like, you know, it's just silly and fun. Yeah. 12:53 And I think to your point that you've made a couple times of, you know, humans will always have their own creative outlet to do what humans do, I do think there's gonna be an aspect of it... 13:05 Like, right now if you're into art, I've bought some paintings before. There's-- Artists will typically have a few levels of their paintings, like really, really high-end art. 13:16 You have the art that, like, there's one, and this is the only thing I made. Anything else is gonna be slightly different because I literally painted this with a brush. That's art. 13:26 Then you might have a digital concept of that art piece, and in many cases they either have an unlimited print of that, which is like a devaluation. It's like, well, you could get this, anyone could get this on Amazon. 13:38 It's a, it's a digital render of this very unique piece of art. But in some cases, they have, like one of 50. There will only be 50 versions of this d- even digitized version of my artwork. 13:53 So it adds a little bit of, like uniqueness to it and, like, even, like scarcity. 13:58 But I think that concept of art being valuable and unique and something no one else can do, that's something that spans time and technology. I mean, people started creating art, I don't know when. 14:15 I mean, that'd be fun to figure out, uh, if ChatGPT can help me out there. But hundreds, maybe thousands of years ago. I mean m- m- Cavemen... maybe more. Uh-huh. I mean, even freaking cavemen. Yeah, like forever. Yeah. 14:24 Art is like a, an early human civilization concept. 14:27 That has gone through stages of development, and technology will also or always improve what we can do with art, but it will never take away what meaning people find and the value people assign to human-generated art. 14:42 And so I think that's where this continues to be a competition of like, well yeah, Sora can do all this crazy stuff. And there will be those, "Oh, this is art," you know, what I've... I mean, kind of. 14:53 I guess you-- I would, I could agree with that in some cases. 14:56 But, like, there's a difference between you putting a paintbrush to a canvas and making something beautiful or even building something with your own hands and, like, basically telling someone else to do it. 15:08 I mean, that's what Sora is. Yeah. Like, "I'm gonna tell this person to do it." It's like commissioning an artist. Sora is the artist. Yeah. You're not an artist. Sora is the artist. Uh, you're just- Yeah... 15:15 telling it what to do, you know? Yeah. So I can see some arguments there. 15:18 You're kind of-- It's a really good spot right now, and one, I wonder if down the road if Sora will allow the ability to just, like record yourself and be your creative self and then maybe have some AI, you know, imagery into that video that you created, right? 15:32 And so- Yeah... I think right now, like what it is today, it's new. So what it is today, it gives that creative person the resources and ability to go out there and create things. 15:42 But I will say, like you running next to that truck, I watched it. I watched it a handful of times. Like, I know that's not you. Pretty cool, right? You know? [laughs] I know. It is cool. But it's pretty cool. 15:51 It-- No, it's really cool. It's really cool. It's extremely cool. Um, and like the fact that it, like, your face looks like you, which is great, but you can still just tell like this is too perfect. 15:59 The, the picture's too perfect to be- Well, yeah. Yeah. The ears were a little too big. Like I, I look at it, it's always gonna be way easier for you to tell you are AI- Yeah, of course... than other people. Of course. 16:10 So there's stuff I noticed about me that I'm sure most people wouldn't pick up. But- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just incredible. 16:16 It took me 10 seconds to write that prompt, and then I waited for it to load, and it was a fully generated... I put it on TikTok, by the way. Oh, did you? No, no notes. I just... Yeah, I just put it on TikTok. 16:24 I downloaded it, put it on TikTok. This is a Sora floating thing. I don't even care. I'm interested to see. Did- I even, I even put a meme on, on, uh, Twitter. You know that- But why, why is there, wait... 16:32 that meme that's like, "I gotta figure out how to make money on this thing"? You know that one [laughs] from- Yeah, yeah. Yeah... uh, I Think You Should Leave, I think is what it's called, the, the, the Netflix show. 16:39 But like- Yeah, yeah... I literally have it, like I gotta figure out how to make money on this thing. Like, you know people are gonna get ridiculously rich with Sora. Oh, for sure. People are going to do that. Oh. 16:48 I wanna be that. Question. Why, why when you up- I wanna make it ridiculously- Why-- Yeah, you should right now, but why when you uploaded it did it have the Sora floating thing? 16:54 So when you d- That's, that's what I was saying earlier. When you download a video from Sora- I thought it removed it or you need to be paying for it to remove it. I said it... No, I said it backwards. 17:02 When you download it, unless you have this $200 a month plan, which I don't have, I have the 20 a month plan, allegedly. 17:08 Uh, I've, I did some research before this, and, and if you have the $200 a month plan, I think they let you remove the watermark. 17:14 But no, if you download it, just like on TikTok, if you download it, although TikTok's fixed some of this, you know, with say if you post it, you can download without a watermark and stuff. 17:21 But how TikTok used to be, if you download it from Sora, that floating thing is gonna be right there- Got it... in the download wherever you put it. Got it. Okay. Okay. That's understood. Yeah. 17:30 No, no, it's really interesting. It's really interesting. I think it, uh, I think that it'll open up the door for a lot of creative things that couldn't have ever been done before to be- Yeah... 17:39 possible, and it'll allow people that do have creative minds, creative thoughts and, like, just people that maybe wanna be into, you know, like script writing or anything like that, like, could be a, could be a great outlet for them. 17:50 It's just hard for me to believe that people will become obsessed and consumed with an application where it's just AI videos and you know subconsciously none of this is a real person, right? 18:02 Like, there's not a real person. Like, maybe somebody's typing it. They have a team that's typing it. And again- Yeah... it might evolve. 18:07 It, it might evolve to the point where, like, it is real people doing real things, and then they can just, like add these AI fun features to it to make it look super cool. Who knows? Yeah. But right now, I don't know. 18:15 It's hard, it's hard for me to believe that that willBe where the world is, and also who wants another social media app, man? No- nobody needs another social media app. No, I know. 18:24 But- Well, I would say, what's interesting-- Man, I'm so philosophical. Like, this is where my mind always goes with these questions, is, you know, I can't even remember the words you just said. 18:34 You said, you know, it, it's not real. You know, you said it's not... Okay. Well, what about influencers now? You know, there's all these, like, third, third-person views of influencers, like filming themselves. 18:47 There's one that went viral recently where, you know, the person takes a sip, and he's like, "Oh, yeah, this is great. You know, check out this new drink at this new coffee shop," blah, blah, blah. 18:57 But then after he stopped recording himself, someone else was recording him, and he was like, "Bleh," and he, like, spit it out. And it's like, one, that could have been staged. Who cares if it was? 19:06 But that has to be how even it operates right now with influencers, commercials. I mean, how many of those commercials have you seen where, like, Michael Phelps is smashing some McDonald's? Like- Yeah... 19:22 we know Michael Phelps was, in the height of his Olympian career, was not eating Big Macs. Yeah. But, like- No, yeah... he ate... He took a bite. Guarantee he didn't finish that thing. He may have even spit the bite out. 19:34 Like, you know, and I don't even know if Michael Phelps was in a McDonald's commercial. That's just an example. But, like, that type of- Yeah, yeah, good example, though... reality- I understand that. Yeah... 19:41 that reality already exists where who? We're, "Oh, that's a real person." Well, is this a real thing, though? Like- Yeah... 19:49 uh, you know, the, the Galaxy 4, I think, or whatever, that smartphone flip phone that just came out recently, that there's, like, tons of influencers, uh, Jaden Smith, and, um, I don't know. 20:01 That's the first one that comes to mind. Am I gonna say you know they're using an iPhone, but they're just sitting there? [chuckles] Honestly, that is a question I have. They probably are. They probably are. 20:07 I'm like, yo, these, these jokers definitely are not a green text in the group- [laughs]... in the group thread. So I don't know, man. Yeah. I think- Yeah, yeah. No, I get what you're saying. 20:15 Like, at the end of the day, we've- Influencers have already changed the world... we've already been played. Well, it's gonna hurt if we get played 100%, you know? Like, we're- I know... already getting fooled. 20:23 We're al- everything's fake for the most part that we see. It's staged, at least. I wouldn't say fake for the, for the sake of the word. But yeah, so Sora 2, everyone. It's, it's pretty sick. 20:32 Like I said, there's, like, invite codes all over the internet. You can just go Google it, and I'm sure you can find it. Yeah. But it's cool. It's cool to play with. 20:37 I think that, like, for someone like us, if the Sora watermark was removed, for people like us that are trying to create distribution with podcasts and just our faces and things like that, like, we can go out there and create a thousand videos- Mm-hmm... 20:49 by the end of the month and just upload them, right? Like 40 a day on TikTok. Yep. And, like, that's stuff that we can do. That's what Rowan, Rowan... I can't think of his last name. Um, he is the founder of The Rundown. 21:01 Ugh, I wish I could think. Rowan- A newsletter? Is that, is that a newsletter- Yeah... I assume? Well, it's a- Okay. Yeah... it's, like, an entire media company now. So he's interviewed Mark Zuckerberg. 21:09 He has a really successful podcast. Who's that? [laughs] Um, [sighs] Mark Zuckerberg. What does he do? Mark Z- He- Wasn't he, like, the sixth president? He's a dad, uh, in the West Coast, I think. I don't know. 21:19 I can't remember. Uh, you look him up. Google Mark Zuckerberg. Uh, there's probably some stuff written about him. But anyways, Rowan interviewed Mark Zuckerberg a few times now, uh, but, like, exclusive interviews. 21:29 Uh, the most recent one was a couple weeks ago, where he talked through the AI, like, meta glasses, which are sick, by the way. Mm-hmm. I think I said this in the last episode. 21:38 Yeah, you said it was gonna get- [laughs] I'm totally gonna get the... Oh, so anyways, I won't, I won't bore you all to death with that. 21:41 But he has a very successful Instagram channel of all AI-generated videos that are him. So the AI generation, he's gotten, he's gotten really good, where it's like, honestly, I don't... 21:55 Maybe you can tell it's not him, but you might not be able to. 21:58 But it's, like, very high-value educational content in line with all the other stuff he's doing with Rundown, but it's not him, and so he's able to create, like- Mm... insane amounts of very high-quality- Yeah... 22:10 videos 'cause it's all AI. So I think there's, there's already a lot of this stuff happening that some people may not even be a-aware of. Yeah, yeah. 22:18 What do you think about having another social media app for kids, for us, for adults? I mean, social media is not gonna go anywhere. We're just gonna keep on evolving. Yeah. [laughs] Is that just, like, when? 22:29 When is it too much, man? Now, but- I mean, I think it's al- it's already too much. Yeah. It's crazy. Crazy. I think- Uh... we've talked a little bit about the resistance that I think is gonna start forming. 22:41 Yeah, I agree. It's already in our, in our generation. Because of Sora. Yeah, right? Sora's like the, the straw that bro-broke the camel's back. There's, like, an entire, like, human resistance and rebellion. 22:51 That'd be funny. Honestly, not even far-fetched. Yeah. But I think, like, you gotta imagine when we were kids, we were just starting to use technology in our day-to-day life. 23:03 But, like, when I was a kid, like, before I was even 10, you know, five years old, six years old, we had a computer. Every now and again, I'd play, like, Minesweeper, and I would play, like, Rollercoaster Tycoon. 23:15 But that was, like- Do you ever play Backyard Baseball? Yes. Backyard Football- Dude... Backyard Soccer, all of the Backyards. It was amazing. Pablo Sanchez was a G. Pablo Sanchez was the man. He was, he was the... 23:23 Yeah, he was a G. [laughs] He was the man. Blitz 2000, when that came out, I was seven years old on the N64. Like, there's so many good... But, like, I didn't even have the, the, like, itch to do that every day. 23:37 I, I probably- Yeah... enjoyed doing that when I did do it. 23:41 But, like, I wasn't obsessing on Rollercoaster Tycoon every single day and, like, like, you know, "I gotta, I gotta get my fix," like, like iPhones do to us now. We were at the very beginning of daily technology use. 23:53 So you and I have both seen through the last 30 years that gradual increase of more and more and more and more. 24:01 We are way past the point of it being too much, and I'm curious how our kids are gonna figure out, like, how do we get our lives back? Yeah. 24:08 How do we, how do we get back to playing in the grass outside and having picnics and not having a TV in every room of the house? 24:16 Like, there's already these, I would say, like-Counterintuitive, countercultural families who are like, "We're not gonna have TV at home." And it sounds, like, absurd. 24:24 You're like, "What are, what are you gonna watch your TV on if you don't have a TV?" Like [laughs] it's like, it's like you can't even comprehend a family doing that. [laughs] Yeah. But I'm like, okay. 24:33 Like, I'm starting to... I remember when I first heard, there's, like, probably five years ago I was reading a book where someone did this. Like, no TV in the house ever. There's zero TVs even plugged into the wall. 24:41 I'm like, that's insane. But now I'm like- [laughs]... low-key, like, kind of tempted to- He's onto something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like, maybe, maybe there's something there. Like, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know, man. 24:52 Dude, I know. Uh, we don't need a new social media app. That's not gonna stop people from creating new social media platforms- I know... though. That's the problem. I know. They're so successful. 25:00 If you get it right, so many people, the, the user adoption, there's nothing else like it. Yeah. 25:05 The user adoption of a social platform that's done right, and those are the hardest platforms to create, social media platforms, but when you get it right, I'm like I, I see why, why people- Yeah... keep doing it. Yeah. 25:14 And moving on to technology, too, I don't know how much you have looked into this, but I was researching it a bit yesterday. Okay, so this is perfect. You're gonna be like, "Holy cow, really?" So- I can't wait. 25:24 I can't wait. Blow my mind. There was about 15 episodes ago we talked about vibe coding. Yeah. And everybody, vibe coding is you have an idea and you can build an app just by typing it. And so that's really it. 25:35 It can expand further than that, but that's the short, the short shtick. And so there's v0, there's Bolt, Replit, Lovable, all of these different technologies that allow you to vibe code. 25:46 Well, Lovable is one that we hear about the most because they scaled to, like, 100 million in ARR in, like, what was it, like, six months or something? Something crazy. Some- Very fast... 25:55 crazy, like, they had, like, a team of, like, 10 and then got to 100 million ARR. Now, what I do think is 26:00 they count money in a, in a way in which I think should be illegal where it's like, okay, we have, let's just call it, uh, for easy numbers, 100,000 monthly users and they all pay us $5 a month. 26:11 You know, that's 500,000 MRR, so multiply that by 12, and that's our ARR even though those users- Yep... can churn off- Yep... whenever. 26:17 So I don't love that way of counting revenue, but anywho, they came out with Lovable Cloud. So when we recorded a whole... 26:24 We had a whole episode, if you haven't listened to it, go listen to it, on vibe coding, why we think- Yes, we did... it is the future. 26:29 I uploaded that to LinkedIn with, like, this hook where it pissed off a bunch of software engineers. "You're an idiot. You've never built anything. You don't know anything about coding," blah, blah, blah. 26:39 And e- even in that episode we talk about how it's just not there from a back end perspective. 26:44 Like, vibe coding's not there from a back end perspective, but it does good designs and it does good user workflows and things like that. Oh, man, I just remember all the people that got so mad on my post. 26:53 God, they, they just crapped all over me. Anyways, Lovable Cloud came out I believe yesterday or two days ago. It solves for that. So- Yeah... you don't- Tell me about it... 27:03 need to be an engineer to spin up a back end system, so a database, a schema, any sort of structure for your code, it will go ahead and create the database for you. 27:12 It'll create the whole app for you and it'll sync everything from the back end to the front end, and the back end will change just based on you typing. 27:18 So vibe coding- Do you need to know how that architecture works conceptually? Do, do you need to tell it how to do that, or can it tell you how you should do that? So as of right now, I believe you still need to tell it. 27:29 However, there's nothing that, like, a ChatGPT prompt where you can't just be like, "Hey, this is how I want my app to perform. 27:34 What does the back end need to look like, or how does the back end need to work," to get that answer, right? So, like, the answer is there in front of you. 27:40 You can go grab it from somewhere else and tell Lovable to do this, but it, like, the whole... Like, let's say that you build an application and you scale it to 100,000 users. 27:48 There's a really good chance now that that, that will scale, that you won't have any issues running into, like, downtime or it crashing because of you not knowing how to scale an application because it scales the database for you. 27:59 It does that all for you. 28:01 So we're still not 100% there of vibe coding where you and I can just go out there and create this crazy scalable app and need, you know, maybe we could with enough sitting downtime, but, like, we are very, very close to being in a world in which anything that you want built just needs to be typed, and you can have it built. 28:20 Yeah. Now, where do you think that takes technology and software five years from now? Do you think it consolidates where everyone just starts to use these tools like a Lovable, ChatGPT, et cetera? Do you think... 28:33 Uh, what do you think is gonna go on if you could just build an, a software, like, if you can go repeat somebody's software just with text? Like, what's, what differentiates you? The- No... 28:41 the personality, the distribution, the pro- I don't know. Dude, I don't know. Distribution. I, I mean, I, in my entire life, I've never, I've never felt so lost with how fast technology is developing, 28:58 and I think, you know, people were coming at Sam Altman yesterday like, "Yo, you just raised $7 trillion to develop AG1," or AG1, "AGI, uh, AG1 Shadow, AG1, uh, AGI, and cure cancer and, like, change the world, and here you are with, like, a slop AI social media platform." 29:17 And he actually responded to one of them and he's like, "Hey, let me, let me get this straight. 29:21 Like, we are still going after AGI and the top of our, you know, priority list is developing these life-changing global, you know, shifting tools. 29:33 But, like, we're gonna share fun things along the way that are immediately accessible to the masses," which is what he was sort of explaining. 29:42 This is sort of like, why wouldn't we release this to the world if millions of people can use it right now? So I can't even remember what you asked that I was thinking that. 29:52 What- But- What do you think, like, the world of tech is gonna look like- Yeah... with the fact that you can go out there, in probably 24 months you could probably- Yeah... go build an app with no engineer whatsoever? 30:02 I think there's a very real chance that before we both die from old, old age, the world looks completely different. Now, I'm not even saying like, oh, like, iPhones won't be the thing. It'll be wearables. 30:15 Like, not, that's not what I'm ta- I'm talking about the, the literal world will operate-... differently than you and I can even comprehend. And here's why I think that. 30:28 If AGI is actually achieved, it will be a self-sustaining autonomous technology that can learn billions of times faster than humans by itself without any help and assistance. 30:44 That's kind of scary to think about, but it's, it's there. It's in reach. I don't know how long it's gonna be th- you know, it is in reach. If we can actually take rockets to Mars, 30:56 which that is also in reach, we are launching and catching rockets like it's nobody's business. We already have cars that we can summon [laughs] to come pick us up. Yeah. Yeah. Like Tesla's doing that. 31:08 People are just like- Yeah... "I can't remember where I parked, so let me just tell the car to come to me." Hmm. That would've been a joke 10 years ago, that we would've made. Yeah. 31:16 I'm, like the Jetsons, it's like the, whatever, '70s or '80s cartoon show. Like that- that's like just most of reality now. Still not quite there, but like what used to be sci-fi is just already what's happening. 31:27 And so when you think of autonomous robots doing house chores, AGI, how fast technology, you can't even keep up with how fast it's, it's, it's changing. Dude, 50 years of this? Bruh. Yeah. Dude. I mean, 31:43 the, the world just will not look the same at all. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't even know how to elaborate on that other than that I just, it just won't. Dude. It will not be the same world we know right now. It won't. 31:55 It won't. And with that, I've got a few different business ideas for where the wor- where the world is going. All right. One- Sora AI creator is already check boxed. [laughs] So number two. Yeah, no, no. 32:07 So I, I- I looked at the world, right? Where it's headed. One, data centers are being built everywhere to house the compute for these machines, AGI, et cetera. Demo Data. 32:17 So, so g- no, yeah, so Demo is coming out with we are now a commercial real estate firm. [laughs] And we own buildings that you can host your data centers. 32:24 Um- Dude, your shtick, our shtick should be, instead of Brian Lamana, it should every single episode you should just say what Demo is. [laughs] It should be something different. 32:33 Demo is now launching a McDonald's, Burger King conglomeration. Dude, that's what, that's what ChatGPT is doing. Obviously, they have a lot more resources and money, but, so there's that. There's that. Okay, right? 32:43 So like, literally just being able to buy like somewhat old commercial buildings where people need to house their, their PCs, their computer. There's one. The second one is, um, like power grids. 32:54 So I have a family friend that works like a p- at a power grid company, and they are blowing up because of how much power needs for AI, right? Like there's- Yeah... AI needs a ton of power. 33:04 So any sort of like power grids, you can probably even have like a smaller version of it and just like build like this little, almost like a self storage, right? 33:12 But instead it's like a self power grid where it can, the, it delivers energy. You know, I- Um- I read something- Go ahead... uh, on the power grid, um, that 33:21 it was something, it was either the Sahara Desert or, um, o- one of the big deserts in like the West Coast, uh, in like Nevada or something. I love deserts. If... I know, deserts are great. In theory, if you put, 33:33 uh, solar panels in the entire desert, whate- whatever this desert was, you could power the entire world from the amount of solar energy that would be generated from the sun. And I'm like, questionable. 33:47 Like, is that true? But if it is, why don't we do that? Like, I'm like- Yeah. I know... 33:51 like China's literally building underwater data centers because of how hot it gets to operate the processes, and it's like in the ocean. 34:01 I'm like, yo, that's nuts, first of all, and there's probably some ecological impacts I don't know about. But- Yeah... like why don't we just start building solar panels like in the freaking desert? I don't know. 34:12 I don't know. I'm sure it's not as easy as doing that. Dude, I live, I live in like the middle of farms. It's probably expensive. It is. Yeah. 34:16 I live in the middle of farms, and there's like a whole, there's a solar farm literally like two minutes away from me, and it's huge. Yeah. I'm like, "Oh my goodness." Wind farms. Wind farms. Yeah, the w- dude. 34:24 I don't know how much energy- In the Midwest... is produced by wind, but I'm like, there can't be that much energy coming off of these things. But then I saw a wind... 34:32 Have you ever seen them transport the, the blades of a wind- The big propeller blades? Yeah. On the road? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It takes up three lanes on the freeway. Huge. 34:41 And like two fully extended semis side by side because there's a curve. So there's two semis side by side. Holy crap. 34:51 I, I, I, I drove by one once, and there's like three or four, you know, blinking pickup trucks in front and behind- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm... and on both sides. [laughs] It's the most insane, just for a blade. 35:03 I was like, I guess that's- Yeah... you gotta transport it somehow. Anyways, what's your third business idea? Yeah. I always wonder that, too. When I, when I'm in a farm, like when I'm driving- Yeah... 35:10 through the Midwest and I see a massive wind farm, I'm like, h- how much energy's right here? Like [laughs] I don't feel it. Yes. Um- Yes. 35:18 But anyways, the third one is a, more of like a, a Chrome extension or an extension to any browser, where Sam Altman a long time ago said, and I can't remember exactly what the number was, but how much energy was being wasted on people saying please and thank you and just not having correct prompts. 35:33 Like, an extension that automatically- Oh, wow... 35:35 just rewrites your prompts to reduce the amount of energy to be used, and then also in that same realm, like a lot of employees are putting a ton of customer information into ChatGPT, and they probably shouldn't. 35:45 So something that can, like, not allow you to do that. But more so the first one where it's like we'll just rewrite your prompt in the back end. You'll, you'll never see anything as a user being changed. 35:54 We will make sure that the input into ChatGPT like removes please, removes thank you, removes unnecessary words so we don't waste a ton of energy. Mm-hmm. But at the end of the day, who's gonna buy that stuff? You know? 36:02 Like, who, who would pay for that? Maybe a business that's trying to go green? I don't know. But, um- Yeah, I don't know... yeah. So three ideas. Steal it, everybody. I feel like some of that's solvable. 36:11 I think s- I feel like some of that's solvable, too. Like, if, if, if Sam Altman knows that- ChatGPT should do it... thanks and you're welcome and junk take up energy, like- Yeah. 36:18 It should be just as simple as them to like remove it when you hit input... write it, yeah, right into the system that those words don't exist or something. I don't know. There's, clearly solvable. But yeah. Yeah. 36:28 Yeah, what do you think about overweight people in the US?What do you think about overweight people in the US? [laughs] No, I'm kidding. I've never seen one I do- I've never seen one. 36:35 Hey, I have a couple questions for you before we jump off. We have about five minutes here. So I said, with the ChatGPT, I trained the GPT on just learning you, who you are. However, it did an okay job. 36:49 So I said give me some rapid-fire questions for Daniel. Let me know when you're ready. Some of these are so stupid, some of them are kinda good. Let's go. Are you ready? Yeah. All right. 36:57 What is the, what's the one tech gadget you couldn't survive without? I already know your answer. Yeah, I mean, I think it's iPhone still. I mean, you asked me that a, a while back. 37:05 Probably the iPhone, but, like, couldn't survive, but it would be hard. I'd have to change a lot of things. Would you rather fight 100 duck-sized Elon Musks or one Elon Musk-sized duck? 37:19 [laughs] Probably an Elon Musk-sized duck. That seems very doable. Like, I'd just beat the crap out of a duck that's big. That's... Right? Just a big duck, right? What are they gonna do? 100, 100 ducks, that's insane. 37:33 Yeah. If you could outsource one dad duty to AI, what would it be? Hmm. That's a great question. A few things just popped into my mind, but I don't know which one to pick. Changing dirty diapers- Hmm... 37:44 doing the dishes, making meals. And when you say dad duty, I mean, a lot of these are not my specific duties, shared responsibilities. But, like, probably one of those- It's a woman's job... 37:53 probably making, making meal, making meals. Uh, that'd be awesome if I could just have AI make all the meals. But how could, how could AI do that? Okay. I don't know. All right. I don't know. 38:00 I mean, you said if I could do anything. I'm like- I get it. I know. You're right. You're right. I'm over here putting, like, rules on it now. I know. No rules. Um, what is, what's one tech buzzword that drives you nuts? 38:09 ARR. [laughs] Quota. [laughs] Uh, no, I think, uh, there's a lot of companies that make, like, $100,000 once, and they're like, "1.2 million ARR. Let's go." I'm like, well, not really. I, you know, 38:27 run rate maybe is the right... So anyways, I don't know. There's, there's probably a lot. I, I, if I give it more thought, I'd probably come up with five or 10 different buzzwords. Yeah. 38:34 If your oldest kid could describe you in one, one word, what would it be besides dad? Hmm. Maybe silly. You are silly. You're a silly little goober, aren't you? I'm a, I'm a silly goose. Let's see here. 38:44 If you had to delete every app from your phone except for three of them, which ones would stay? Messages, Notes- Hmm... 38:52 maybe Phone, but, like, I hate phone calls, so I'd actually like to delete that, but I feel like I'd need it. So Phone. Like, I would probably keep the Phone app because I feel like it, you need the Phone app. 39:02 Yeah, you do. I don't want the Phone app, but you need the Phone app. LinkedIn, Twitter, and Sora. [laughs] Yeah. Sora one, Sora two, Sora three. [laughs] All right. Let's see. Oh. What's more... One more, one more here. 39:15 What's more stressful, a toddler tantrum, like, the biggest tantrum you've ever seen in the middle of, like, a Target or a restaurant, or missing your quota? Pro- I don't know. Probably missing my quota, although, 39:29 yeah, I mean, toddlers have tantrums. That's something... I feel like I've dealt with the latter, the, the former, the, the toddler tantrums just more because it's like that could happen at any moment. Yeah. 39:39 You can't- Oh... miss quota at any moment unless you have a daily quota, which some people do, granted, like door-to-door salespeople. Like, a lot of people have daily quotas. I don't. I have a quarterly quota, 39:51 so I only get to miss it once every three months. Uh- [laughs]... the toddler tantrum, it might happen once every three minutes, you know. It doesn't, in this current stage of life, they both- Yeah... 39:59 are pretty, pretty level-headed, which is great, but yeah, I would say the toddler tantrum's probably more stressful. Is that what I said? I can't remember how I answered. Yeah. Both are stressful. No, no. 40:07 They, uh, yeah, they're both stressful. Um, I don't know how you answered it, actually. Yeah, neither do I. I don't know. You said that, like, you said quota, and then you're like, "Wait, no," but anyways, uh- Yeah... 40:14 last one is if you could only listen to one podcast for the rest of your life- Two Dads in Tech... what would it be, and where could they find you? TwoDadsInTech.com. 40:22 I would never listen to, I don't even, I would never even dare right now in a real-life scenario to listen to any podcast except Two Dads in Tech. Go check us out, TwoDadsInTech.com. Give us five stars on Spotify. 40:34 Give us a thumbs up on YouTube. Go subscribe, tell your friends. Tell us what you think in the comments about Sora. If you've tried it out, tell us if you like it, if you hate it. 40:43 Tell us what you think the, uh, future looks like. The future may look grim. It may also look exciting, or a little bit of both. 40:49 And let, and let us know if you agree with Daniel's take that, like, this could be a big competitor for TikTok, or if you think that, like, the human element will kind of stay and make its own little path. Yes. 40:58 But- Yes... I'd like to know 'cause I'm curious. All right. I really am. All right. Find us at TwoDadsInTech.com, everybody. We'll see you all next week, everybody. Thanks, everyone. See you next week. Bye.
